I finally managed to do video capture, I ended up using ffmpeg for generating the file.
This shows the Surface Silverlight application running in Linux with Moonlight. It also shows two modified versions of it:
Watch the video here.
Posted on 25 Jun 2007
The next week is Hack Week at Novell, where all engineers in the Open Source group get to work on their own pet ideas during their work hours.
There is an idea database here: http://idea.opensuse.org.
Posted on 25 Jun 2007
Nice week for concerts: Music Party in Paris on the 21st, Cesaria Evora in Boston on Saturday and Manu Chao today.
Posted on 24 Jun 2007
Scott Peterson posts a screenshot of his progress, Banshee now starts up on Windows with Mono/Gtk# (there is a buglet somewhere that prevents it from running with the .NET Framework):
If you want to track other Summer of Code projects, check our weekly status reports here
Posted on 24 Jun 2007
Didier Girard met me at my hotel on Friday and we did a quick interview with a demo, which you can see on video (since I have yet to figure out how to do screen captures myself).
In the demo you can see Moonlight and the Gtk# binding to Moonlight in action as well as various assorted samples.
See it here.
Posted on 24 Jun 2007
Jetlag caused me to not get any good sleep in my trip to Paris. On Friday I was woken up at 3:30pm by the hotel staff asking whether they could clean the room. Oops. I overslept.
I am a fan of Fabrice Bellard since he wrote lzexe on the DOS days. He later wrote the smallest C compiler, then Tiny C Compiler, QEMU, FFMPEG and many other wonderful hacks.
Olivier blogged our dinner with Guy Lunardi from Novell here.
It was a pleasure to interrogate them about their hacking projects and to get the history behind Fabrice's projects.
Posted on 23 Jun 2007
If you are curious about the state of the Mono Debugger, check out Martin Baulig's detailed blog on the work he has been doing to improve the debugger and add support for AppDomains (ie, debugging ASP.NET and Silverlight applications).
Scott Peterson got Banshee launching on Windows, see his report.
The Google Summer of Code students have been doing a great job, see their status reports here.
And finally, a nice article from Ars Technica on the Moonlight hack-a-thon.
Posted on 22 Jun 2007
Some member of the hack-a-thon team have blogged about this, here are some blog entries:
My good friend Joshua at Microsoft sets the record straight: we did not know anything about Silverlight 1.1 before its announcement. And thanks to Joshua for the nice blog message.
Posted on 22 Jun 2007
The past 21 days have been some of the most intense hacking days that I have ever had and the same goes for my team that worked 12 to 16 hours per day every single day --including weekends-- to implement Silverlight for Linux in record time. We call this effort Moonlight.
Needless to say, we believe that Silverlight is a fantastic development platform, and its .NET-based version is incredibly interesting and as Linux/Unix users we wanted to both get access to content produced with it and to use Linux as our developer platform for Silverlight-powered web sites.
Am now on a flight to Paris to show the results of 20 days of intense work that the team has implemented. It is hard to contribute to the effort sitting on a plane when the tree is changing every 10-20 minutes.
There is technically still some time left to improve what we can show.
At this point we do not have a packaged release of Silverlight for Linux and we still have to sort out a few things that would have to be done in order to ship a ready-to-use plugin.
But if you are curious or want to contribute to the effort check our page for information on downloading, compiling and getting started with the project.
Progress on the Silverlight Airlines, June 20th.
At the Mix conference this year, after the open source panel, I had a chance to meet with Marc Jalabert from Microsoft France who invited me to participate in a re-play of the Mix event in Vegas, this time in Paris.
Although Marc had sent me an email on May 9th, I did not notice his email until he pinged me back again on the 28th of May and got his confirmation on the 31st to participate at Mix in Paris. On the 31st he suggested:
We suggest you speak during the conference keynote and show a preview of moonlight if you already have something to show.
But on the 31st, other than having learned about Silverlight, explored how to decode video, experiment a little with video and started planning for an implementation we had nothing to show. Nothing am telling you. Also, May was a busy month for me HR-wise as we were hiring new developers to join the Mono team.
By 1pm on Thursday the 31st, I posted this to our internal Novell Mono mailing list (edited to remove all the embarrassing parts) calling for a hack-a-thon:
Hello folks, The organizers of ReMix 07 in Paris (ReMix is the repeat of the Microsoft Mix conference) have offered us a 10 minute slot to talk about Mono and demo whatever it is that we have done with Mono's Silverlight. There are two problems: other than a video (rendered in blue, instead of natural colors) and a rectangle that moves, we do not have much. The second problem is that this event is in June 21st so that leaves very little time to get things in shape. Now, it might very well be the case that we should not show anything and we should not rush things out, but it is also a major opportunity, and I think it would be foolish not to take advantage of this. I do not think we need to demo things embedded in the browser, but it would be useful to demo something loaded from a XAML file (video, rectangles, bezier paths, and some limited maybe C# controlled animation, to avoid doing the full animation framework). Issues: * We have a XAML parser written in C# but I have not checked on its state nor checked whether it can do more than just the basics (like doing data type conversion). * Microsoft suggested (and made a good point for it) that the XAML parser be implemented in native code (as 99% of the objects created by XAML are never manipulated by managed code). So we will end up with a C-based XAML parser, whether it is a good idea to do this now, and not reuse the managed one is open to discussion. * Other than the rectangle (that is currently not even rendering) and the video (without audio) I got nothing. * We would need to bind the C implementation to C#, and I think that we can use the same model that Mike used for Gtk#. Not gapi, but the overall model where we mirror the class hierarchy in C# that exists in C++ (in this case, the class is determined by C#, not by C++, but you get the idea). * I have decided to use Cairo for now (David convinced me on the grounds of hardware acceleration). We would need a dedicated hack team to drop whatever it is that they are doing for this noble cause. The question is: who wants to participate in an intense two-week hackathon to make it happen? Obviously, not everyone can work on this at the same time, and having too many people would make things difficult to coordinate. But who is interested? Miguel.
We modified the Silverlight Surface demo to show a live clock and the Mono Logo.
The team was assembled quickly in response to the email, a limited group from the Mono team to avoid having too many coordination conflicts.
Sebastien, our resident security expert and also maintainer of our GDI+ implementation was the first to reply an hour after my posting. Sebastien would in the next few days be in charge of implementing most of the rendering primitives:
Me. I haven't looked SL much outside the new security model (and I have the feeling this isn't what you have in mind for the demonstration ;-) but I have heard about that Cairo-thing.
Jackson who in the past worked on our IL assembler and has been working for a few years on our managed Windows.Forms implementation and been maintaining the Tree and Text controls in Windows forms followed up with:
I'm in. Not exactly sure which area would be best for me to get started on, so if anyone has suggestions...otherwise I'll just pick something without the words text or tree in it.
Jeff Stedfast, who had been working on MonoDevelop for the last couple of months and works with me in the Cambridge office followed up:
I am down with the dope! count me in.
Jeff's first task would be to fix audio in the media player. He would eventually rewrite the video playback engine so we could provide Video brushes in all of its glory and implement the audio support.
Some other people signed up on IRC, so I do not have their early sign up messages. By Sunday things started to get in shape team-wise. Some folks had started work already and became the de-facto maintainers of those pieces of code:
At this point I got the feeling that "DependencyObject" and "DependencyProperty" might be playing a role more important than I had originally thought of. My initial reaction to DependencyObject was a mix between "ugh" and "its kind of clever". At the time it seemed important, but did not quite grasp its importance, I asked Rolf (of Visual Basic compiler in Visual Basic) fame to take over that.
Eventually we would end up with a complete type system and I would describe if it wasn't for the fact that it is still changing and being refactored. Our "Value::Kind" enumeration just vanished and became part of our "Type" class in a valiant effort by Rolf to clean up the code base.
Chris Toshok started work on timelines, which as a dependency required him to start work on transformations as well. He would later take over the entire animation, clock, and frame rendering infrastructure pieces.
The rest of the Mono team was charged with keeping an eye on the rest of the project, continue to fix bugs and provide us with cover for our fresh project. They also would help when we ran into problems (like helping out with performance on Monday the 18th when we were things were not looking great for the Surface demo).
In addition other Novell employees (Atsushi Enomoto, JB Evain, Marek Safar and Mark Probst) are indirectly working on Moonlight. JB by improving Cecil and his Linker (originally funded by the Google Summer of Code, thanks Google!) that would allow us to shrink our existing assemblies into assemblies that would be identical to the Silverlight ones.
Atsushi has done most of our WCF platform, JSon serialization, Marek by implementing LINQ for our C# 3 compiler and its underlying infrastructure and Mark will be working on the JIT support for the new Silverlight security system and of course everyone else in the Mono team that continues to improve our runtime.
Various members from the Mono community have also contributed to Moonlight directly or indirectly through their contributions to the Olive sub-project: Stephen, Joel, Olivier, Antonello, Marek and many more am missing.
My original plan was to write the low-level rendering engine in C and expose some sort of "scene" API that the managed world would control. With only a few primitives and a handful of operations on those primitives this idea sounded passable. The first code checked into the tree was written in C with the usual Gtk+-like programming pattern and a glib-like object system.
The early tests of Silverlight content rendering side-by-side with SVG content.
There were a few factors that altered the design: the advice from Scott Guthrie and Jason Zander during my trip to the Compiler Lab; David Reveman's  (the wizard behind Glitz, Xgl and Compiz) suggestion for moving the engine into the compositing manager and early changes to the class hierarchy that moved me away from C.
I discussed with Scott Guthrie and Jason Zander that I wanted to do as much as possible in managed code, but they made an interesting observation. XAML content might have a few thousand objects defined here and there, but most applications would only care about a couple of high-level objects: a handful of buttons, handles, animations, and so forth but it was not worth having all of those objects in managed memory and for a graphics intensive system we wanted to minimize the number of managed to unmanaged transitions.
The above being said, in 20 days we really had no time to implement two versions and compare whether these assumptions were correct or not.
The other consideration to move away from C# to C at the time had to do with the early conversations with David Reveman who wanted to hardware accelerate this. The idea was to turn the Silverlight high-level operations into a scene description that we could transfer from the client applications directly onto the compositing manager (On modern X installations this is what actually puts the bits on the screen and what has enabled all those spicy effects like the rotating cube).
The idea here is that the Silverlight client could detect if it was running under a compositing manager that offered rendering on the server and it would off-load all the rendering to the layer that can talk directly to the OpenGL hardware.
As the hack-a-thon got started and I started introducing a C-virtual function here and a C-virtual function there, the second time I had to change the hierarchy I got annoyed, bit the bullet and moved the code to C++.
We kept our use of C++ features to a bare minimum, it helped us in quite some cases and in some other cases we hated it. A proper rant about C++ will have to wait for another day.
At least we stayed within the confines of the "C" family of languages.
 David Reveman is one of the main wizards behind the graphics revolution going on in Linux: Glitz, Xgl and Compiz. He also happens to be based in the Cambridge office and host an international crowd at his fabulous apartment for drinks.
The project was originally organized over email but the day-to-day technical discussions moving into a private IRC channel.
We did use email as a way of communicating with some of the developers on other time zones to either pass the baton and as a poor man's bug-tracking system.
We did have a handful of one-to-one phone conversations when we started to merge things together: some components were independent of each other and due to the hacking intensity during this period.
The crowd in America would go to sleep and Atsushi (Japan) and Rolf (Spain) would take over development for the next eight hours until we were able to catch up again: Everaldo in Sao Paolo, Sebastien in Canada, Jeff, Alan in Boston and later Jackson, and myself on the East Coast (due to our sleeping hours) and Chris on the West Coast.
This is basically how we do things in the Mono team, except this time we were under tight pressure.
The .NET API to Silverlight shipped with very little in the form of documentation, but a lot of it could be inferred from the Silverlight 1.0 API and from the WPF API.
The Silverlight .NET API is a flatter API than WPF is, but in some cases (the work that Chris did on animations) we would internally on the C++ side implement some of the classes that are found on the bigger brother of Silverlight as support infrastructure for it.
The API reference that we used was what was available on the Visual Studio Object Browser (or Mono's equivalent command line tool: monop).
Alan McGovern (of BitSharp fame) would be arriving to Boston a week after the hack-a-thon and we asked him to start work on a Silverlight-based designer and on bits of the C# API (exercising our C++ code).
At this point the class hierarchy was no longer the "early" check-in that was more focused on "scenes" but instead mirrored the C# API one-to-one. Also, the type system had been in place and we had to come up with a mechanism to provide the equivalent to object identity and boxing to communicate between C# and C++. Keeping the two sets of typecodes in sync had become a source of frustration which lead to Chris and Rolf to write some sanity checking scripts and auto-generate one from the other.
During this week the C# binding came to life. We had been doing all of our work in C++ and testing every new class by sticking the new object, brush, opacity setting, transformation, animation, storyboard and flag into a single demo. One ugly demo with CNN and the Colbert Report spinning on the background.
The object system was designed with reference counts in mind, similar to The GObject system and also has the notion of "sunk" references. By the end of the week we had not really paid much attention to proper object management and ownership and problems started to creep up when we had to properly shutdown (say, when loading a second XAML file in the same Surface that might have been animated).
Chris fixed the reference counting before the weekend and we closed the week. This is more or less what happened during the week, based on my partial log:
In the last 20 days, the team:
There are various factors that I think worked very well for the project:
Some of the things that we need to sort out and have been problematic:
I did not think we would be able to get this far in 21 days, I was hoping at most to have a simple XAML file loading and some animations going but the team really achieved an incredible project . I think we are still quite impressed that it could be done.
But there is still much work left to do to before we can work flawlessly as a Silverlight plugin.
There are still some important chunks of work missing: from ensuring that everything we have implemented is complete to completing large chunks of work that are still missing.
One of the major areas that needs work is the C# to browser integration as well as improving the browser plugin which only recently started working. Some work has been done (all on our public SVN repository) but the pieces came in too late to be integrated.
We have a to-do list for some of the remaining tasks.
Although Silverlight is intended to be used in a web browser we think it would be very useful to Linux desktop programmers to have Silverlight reusable as a widget.
We already have been talking to a few folks about how we can help them improve and spice up their desktop applications with Silverlight. Obvious choices are all the existing Gnome/Mono based applications, but ever since we got started on this, the idea of writing a "Media Center" sort of UI has been making the rounds.
I have for years talked about my desire of having a "Flash on a Widget" widget for Gtk+, an idea that was not very popular back in the days when Flash was considered only a technology to do animations.
We finally have such a widget and it can be scripted, hosted, embedded or extended from any ECMA CLI compliant language: all the traditional static languages for .NET as well as the new batch of dynamic languages that take advantage of the Dynamic Language Runtime (DLR).
Larry of F-Spot fame for example has already prototyped F-Spot integration with the Surface demo:
He also has this mode printing PDFs already.
Currently we are using the fantastic ffmpeg video library but for the sake of distribution in some countries we might have to write a new video/audio backend.
Novell will be requiring copyright assignments or contributions to be made under the MIT X11 license to Moonlight to ensure that we can ship this plugin with proprietary drivers if necessary (and also to relicense Moonlight for embedded system users).
We will be working on a simple designer for Silverlight written in Silverlight itself. We hope to achieve:
We need a logo for the Moonlight project, so we can print T-Shirts.
Jackson suggested on irc for the Silverlight Airlines demo:
<jackson> also, we should totally add snakes, time permitting
Posted on 21 Jun 2007
He talks about Silverlight, creating Silverlight content that is indexable and the current state and future directions of Silverlight.
Posted on 18 Jun 2007